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Old 07-09-2008, 06:49 PM
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When SERGEI BOKHAN, a Soviet diplomat serving in Athens, who secured asylum in the US on 25 May 1985, made grossly interesting revelations about the role of Greece in international terrorism.
The Soviet diplomat explained how Greece served as bridge of international terrorism and arms smuggling between Europe and the Middle East, by giving important information. Bokhan, inter alias, explicated that the confidential information had been passed on to Moscow (by Greece) and that informed of Athens treachery, the NATO's headquarters in Brussels had refrained from giving "strictly confidential" documents to the Greeks.
The Russian agent also revealed the names of the Greek cabinet ministers who had given him information during his 3-year service in Athens. On 26 June 1985, the US envoy in Athens Mr. Sterns paid a visit to Prime Minister Papandreou giving him a list of 10 Greeks.
The list contained the names of the Ministers and high-level officials from the PASOK party. Among the names on the list were: the Undersecretary of the Foreign Ministry Iannis Kapsis; Chairman of the Mediterranean Research Center Michailis Charalambides who establishes the connection between PKK and the Greek Intelligence Organization, Press Undersecretary Dimitris Marudas, Chairman of the Bureau for the International Relations of the Prime Ministry Vassilis Konstandineas; and Sifis Valirakis who is allegedly among the founders of "17 November" terrorist organization in Greece and two-term Minister of Public Order.
All the names mentioned in the ten-name list of the US were very loyal persons to Prime Minister Andreas Papandreou. Even all of them were the founding members of the PAK terrorist organization established between 1967-74, the era of the Greek military junta. Papandreou's establishing friendships in 1976 with those countries regarded as dangerous for the Western alliance was striking. All sorts of support extended to him by Syria, Iran and Libya played a very important role in his rising to power in the period of 1981-1989.

From US News & World Report 26/10/98
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Other Army plans would add thousands more, who could cross into Kosovo if needed to establish order. Despite the secrecy of the battle plan, now pushed back to October 27 at the earliest, Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic may have been tipped in advance. A Greek official assigned to NATO headquarters was caught faxing to Athens sensitive details of NATO's plans for attacking Serbia. Then, "the Greeks passed everything to Milosevic," says one NATO official. Greece and Serbia, share a historical antagonism toward neighbors such as the Albanians and Kosovo.
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well it is not hard to anderstand that greece plays with both sides and it is a few countrys like it one it was yugoslavia and it is not anymore. iam pretty sure that the west knows ,but it is better to have half of those guys serving to you then all agains you .becouse of this we will see a different greece preatty soon things are changing.
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well it is not hard to anderstand that greece plays with both sides and it is a few countrys like it one it was yugoslavia and it is not anymore. iam pretty sure that the west knows ,but it is better to have half of those guys serving to you then all agains you .becouse of this we will see a different greece preatty soon things are changing.

US knows and supports Turkey as counter balance to pro-Russia /Orthodox Greeks
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Yes and no. Yes because its in our interest and all members are 1,and no we dont like each other.
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West doesnt fear greece.
Because they only need to say a couple of special words and Greece and Greeks are wiped off the map.

"Greece is yours, Turkey".
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West doesnt fear greece.
Because they only need to say a couple of special words and Greece and Greeks are wiped off the map.

"Greece is yours, Turkey".
The question isn't to fear or not Greece, but the fact is that Greece always till the moment of her artificial creation as a nation, has done a dog guard work for other countries!!
Actually Greece is a spy and work for Russian interests in the Balcans, in mediterranean area , Europe and Usa!!
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Last sentence is why the west needs to fear Greece and dissolve it by unleashing the Turk.
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A video that explain some of the economic interests that Russia had not only in Greece but also in the Balcans and Europe: http://russiatoday.ru/news/news/18658/video
(Media briefing on results of Russia-Greece talks. Following the talks on the construction of the Burgas-Alexandropolis oil pipeline and the South Stream gas pipeline linking Russia with Europe, President Putin and Greek Prime Minister Kostas Karamanlis summed up the results for the media. )


Also according to Dr. Constantinos Filis Coordinator, - Center for Russia and Eurasia (www.cere.gr) Institute International Relations Panteion University:
Greece’s role in Russia’s plans for Southeast Europe
Russian President Vladimir Putin’s recent visit to Greece – beyond producing the expected agreement on the Burgas-Alexandroupolis oil pipeline – marked a reawakening of Russian interest in the region of Southeast Europe. Until recently, this region was low on Moscow’s foreign policy agenda, but the gradual revival of Russian influence, however opportunistic, is creating a context within which the
Kremlin can attempt a total comeback on the international stage. Fast-paced development of its influence in its near-abroad – the post-Soviet space – and optimum use of the tools that give it political influence – energy and arms – are part of Moscow’s attempt to extend its base into regions where it traditionally had a voice or held sway.

Serbia and Montenegro, which up until recently was Russia’s closest ally in the Balkans, has split, on the one hand, and, on the other, is at the eye of the international community storm, so Moscow has a justifiable need to seek new, more reliable partners, and apparently sees in Greece a viable strategic partner that can be particularly useful in promoting its interests in the wider region, because:

• Greece has a stable political and economic environment that offers, via imminent privatisations, investment opportunities, and is without a doubt the most reliable country in the Balkans.

• Greece is the only country in the region that is a member state of the EU and NATO, and might, in given circumstances, be able to work for smoother progress on critical issues on the EU-Russian agenda.

• Greece has a political and economic base in the Balkans, and can provide a network to support Russian investments in a Balkan market with a population of 65 million.

• Due to its geographical position, Greece can function as a foothold in (stepping stone to) the wider Mediterranean region.

• A strengthening of Russian influence in Greece would send a clear message not only to the states of the regions, but also to strong outside players, such as the US.

• Compared with other European states, Greece has historically had close relations with Moscow. Greece and Russia have consistently had good political relations, in the sense that there is no distrust of, or ingrained negative attitude to, Russia in Greek society, whereas this is not the case in many new EU member states in Eastern Europe. This makes it easier for a given Greek government to enter into
mutually beneficial agreements without meeting domestic resistance.

• Greece can in fact develop into a transit hub – not just for energy, but also for trade – promoting road and rail transport and linking Russian ports in the Black Sea with Thessaloniki and the wider mediterranean region. The Russian side wants to utilise Greece’s shipping potential to move perishable agricultural products quickly and cheaply.

• The consistently good, if not particularly strong, political relations between Greece and Russia necessitate a strengthening of Greek-Russian economic relations to supplement the recent Moscow-Ankara rapprochement aimed at strengthening trade ties.

• Greece is seen as a key to the Kremlin’s endeavour to break into the arms market in the West.

• In energy-rich southern Russia, Moscow is seeking to limit dependence on Turkey by securing an outlet on the Mediterranean that bypasses the Bosporus, which can be achieved via Greek territory.

Russia sees conditions as being ripe for Greece – making the necessary moves on its own part – to redefine its priorities, making Russia an important ally. This will entail efforts on the part of the Kremlin to bolster the Greek economy with Russian capital in exchange for benefits of a geopolitical nature.
Putin’s visit showed that Greece is now part of Russia’s broader planning for the region extending from the Black Sea to Africa and the Middle East. The strong likelihood of Greece’s being called upon in the future to move within US-EU-Russia triangle augurs both well and ill. In any case, careful handling – based on sound assessment of the regional state of affairs, balance of power, and cost-benefit – will be
required if a strengthened relationship with Moscow is to be rendered a valuable negotiating chip, rather than a pitfall, in Greece’s future transactions with the West.

(link: http://www.cere.gr/upload/APOPSEIS_20061003.pdf)
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Old 07-10-2008, 01:14 PM
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Russia, Greece forge closer ties
Posted: July 11, 2000 by Toby Westerman


Defense ministers of Russia and Greece, a strategically important member of the NATO alliance, have recently concluded talks and issued a joint statement promoting cooperation -- including military cooperation -- between Moscow and Athens, according to official sources in Moscow.
Russian Defense Minister Marshall Igor Sergeyev and his Greek counterpart, Apostolos-Athanasios Tsokhatzopoulos, stated that cooperation between their two countries was important, not only for mutual security, but also for "European security at large." The two defense ministers declared that there was "coincidence and, in some cases, absolute similarity" in their nations' positions, especially in regard to settlement in the province of Kosovo, as well as the Balkans as a whole.
The defense ministers' statements were carried by the Voice of Russia World Service, the official broadcasting service of the Russian government.
The joint statement came within 10 days of a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Greek President Constantine Stephanopoulos in Moscow, during which time the Greek president declared that there is a "mutual understanding" between Athens and Moscow. Official Russian sources stated that was a "similarity of views on a wide range of bilateral issues."
Russia has sought to develop closer ties with Greece for some time. Nearly a year earlier, Athens and Moscow concluded a series of agreements on several issues, including the operation of a Russian-Greek intergovernmental commission on economic, industrial, scientific and technical cooperation. Last year, an opportunity developed for Russia to increase its influence in Greece when the NATO alliance began its air war against Yugoslavia. Most of Greece supported the Serb position and feared the establishment of a Moslem state in the heart of the Balkans. ( )
During the air war, Greek Patriarch Christodoulos described the Serbs as a "heroic people" for their resistance to NATO. ( )


The Greek-Russian meetings come at a time when Moscow is increasing its influence among the NATO membership.
Greece's partner -- and often rival -- NATO's southern flank, Turkey, is also attracting Russian attention. Russia and Turkey have joined in an ambitious oil pipeline project, referred to as Blue Stream. Blue Stream is a massive project that promises to bring large amounts of much-needed natural gas into Turkey from Russia through a pipeline beneath the Black Sea. Deliveries through the Blue Stream project are due to begin in 2001.
Moscow is also in the process of developing closer ties with Germany, France and Britain, all vital members of NATO.
As it did with Greece, Moscow is seeking to use opposition to a U.S. policy -- the proposed U.S. national anti-ballistic missile system -- to advance Russian interests. In opposing the missile system, the Russian government has not only expressed its displeasure with U.S. defense policy, but Moscow is advocating the development of a pan-European anti-missile system, as well as further all-European defense and political cooperation, essentially leaving the U.S. out of the European club.


(link: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=20933)


I'm really wondering if albanian politicans homos are stupid or pretend to be!!!
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Old 07-10-2008, 06:45 PM
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That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. QUit embarassing yourself.

If this was true then for sure America would know about it, but they continue to support Greece, therefore, it is not true.
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